"Chit Chat": Siblings Unleashed - Part Three

Welcome to part three of our exciting four-part series, "Chit Chat": SIbilings Unleashed. In this episode, Ian and I dive into a range of topics throughout our conversation, including Karen Reed trial, Gabby Petito, and making a murderer! So, grab your favorite drink, make yourself comfortable, and get ready for part three of four; Siblings Unleashed. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Intro
• 1:01 Karen Reed Trial
• 13:03 Making a Murderer
• 16:26 OJ Simpson
• 18:10 Gabby Petito
• 34:19 Closing

Transcript

And it was great. We saw him, we saw him. Guys found some things. It looks like a Red bull cannon. Yes, yes, yes. This is like I found a toothpick, a Red bull can and a match. We know this is his. We know mom had a Red bull can in her purse. It was probably just one of, like, the film crew dropping the shit on the side, like. Just keeping the carrot at the end of the thing. Like, you know, the camera dudes like, like Watch Dog react to this, you know? You know, they were fucking with him. Like, you can't tell me that didn't happen. Welcome to the life we live for this nonsense and more about Gabby Petito, Karen Reed and making a murderer. Join me for part three of Siblings Unleashed. One of my guilty pleasures. And I don't know if you've heard anything about this trial, but I am obsessed with watching criminal court cases. I just find it so fascinating. And I mean not the highly like Hollywood version, where they regurgitate a scenario and then make a documentary on it. Don't get me wrong, I like those two. But I mean, I like going on YouTube and watching and streaming live criminal court. I find it exhilarating. I don't watch broadcast stuff. I don't ever watch the real thing. I guess on like, live. Oh my God. Yeah, we're into all that stuff here too, so sure. One of the especially like, I really get into, like lawyer material. Yes, yes I the verbal debating back and forth I don't know, I just find it. Yeah. It's really mental ASMR for me. So one of the cases that I've been listening to and it's probably I'm going on year two of it because these criminal cases like take forever, right? Oh. Have you heard about the Karen Reed trial? Sounds familiar. Okay, so Karen Reed, it's it's the Commonwealth of Massachusetts that is trying to charge Karen Reed for. I don't know if it's murder or manslaughter does. It doesn't really matter for the point of the story. But Karen Reed was the girlfriend of a Massachusetts police officer. And the Massachusetts police officer was found on the side of a police chief's house. On his dying breath, a big like contusion to the back of the head. It was freezing cold, snowing. Didn't have a coat on, and his arm, like the sleeve of his arm was, which looked like it was shredded or damage to his sleeve. Right. He just had a hoodie on. Wow. So the whole Commonwealth is saying that because it now it's a whole case, a whodunit, right? And so the Commonwealth is saying Karen Reed, the girlfriend did it, that when she dropped him off to that gathering or party that evening that she took her SUV and backed up and essentially. And I think they're saying she she didn't really. She either did it on purpose or she wasn't really aware that she did it because she had consumed so much alcohol. So there's some alcohol like DUI charges as well. Anyway, so went through the whole first trial and it was fascinating because on her side she's like, she's got, oh, I'm getting ahead of myself because I'm so excited about this trial right now, so bear with me. But the feds are also doing litigation on this, I think, because of the handling of the case, like Karen's not with the feds, but the the feds are actually looking into this case and they've been in trial. I think it's done. I don't know what that outcome is. I don't but but they were having arbitration on this as well. So you have the whole fed that's like hush hush. Nobody really knows what's going on with that. And then you have her criminal charges and they're happening parallel to one another. So the fed. The fed case ends at some point during the midst of her first trial. Yes, I said first trial. She's on her second trial now on her first trial. Um, and some of the witnesses that were associated with that federal case, that arbitration got called as witnesses for her on her case, and they were the whole accident recreation group. And so that those people are saying there is no way in hell, based on on John Keefe, that was the police officer who passed away, the damage to his body, that this was a vehicle or that's another word, uh, a vehicle related a vehicle related incident. Um, but they're saying. But her tail light was broken. But. They said even if the tail light was broken, the tail light would not have. Done. What's done on the arm? The just the sleeve and not. And like, some slight contusions on the arm. Um, but not leave any bruising or bruising on the lower part of the body. The guy has no bruising on him. Just some minor abrasions. Cuts on his arm that looked like straight, kind of rigid lines. And then the the, uh, contusion on the back of his head that sliced open, that he bled out. That, I think, obviously was the main cause of death. That and hypothermia because he was left out in the snow with just a hoodie. So anyway, it's really, really fascinating. And I've been obsessed with watching this. And so the first trial ended in a mistrial because the jurors could not come to a final agreement. And there's a whole bunch of drama that that's tied to that. Um, and so now they're prepping and I think in April starts her second trial. But they're there. What's online right now is all like the prep. So the Commonwealth versus Karen Reed, all of the prep for this new trial that's coming up around what witnesses they can use and, um, all of sort of the back and forth arguments around setting up for the trial are happening right now. And so it's just so I get sucked into hours and hours and hours of watching this arbitration and watching that is so fascinating to me. It's so fascinating to me. And what I've realized over the course of this last, like year going on two years of watching this trial, how much is also not necessarily seen by the jury, right. Like there's a whole bunch of agreements deemed to not be seen by them. Right. But there's all these agreements and. I just I which I think is the whole point. But if I were a jury juror, it would have probably swayed my opinion, which is why I know they're trying to keep certain things out, but it just makes me question our whole legal system in general. And I've always questioned our legal system in general. But, um, just like it's it's fascinating because you just don't you don't know how much you don't know until you really start getting into it. So I find it fascinating. All that to say is I've been called for jury duty, and I'm so excited because I have to go in March, and I think I'm probably the only person in the whole world that's like, I can't wait to go, and I hope I get to sit on a jury. Um, so I'm really excited, like I'm the only person that has not gotten that yet. You. Well, it it I, I don't think I think I got my first one when I was 40, so. I don't know how I lucked out, but I like that you might be just like me. Or maybe. Maybe you're flagged. Maybe they're like, um, no. Yeah, that's a scary thought to know I'm good. So I take it you haven't heard anything about the Karen Reed trial? I know I do. I think I'd have. I remember the I remember, like, synopsis of it like that. It was about running over her boyfriend who was a cop, and leave him out to die. I remember that part of it. And I think I remember something recently, something about it, like they they had like inverted video and they were yes, yes yes yes, yes. It's so the whole thing is just I mean drama, drama drama. But it's so, it's so fascinating to me. And I usually watch, um, on YouTube. I have my favorite YouTuber for all this trial stuff, which is Emily D Baker. She is a she's actually an attorney. I think she, um, had her law license in California, but she does like all the Hollywood cases and like the interest in criminal cases. So she's been doing the commentary and and kind of walking through the, the legal explanation. So for anyone who's not an attorney like she, she does a really good job of kind of breaking it down like, no, no, no, this is normal. This is what's happening. Um, so and it's, it's just it's so fascinating. It's so fascinating. And I cannot wait for the trial to start up. Yeah, no, that sounds definitely interesting. I would be intrigued to watch that too. Yeah, you should. You should definitely watch it, and I, I cannot I have no idea how this where this is going to go or, um, what I mean, I don't think she's going to get off of not having any charges. I mean, maybe, maybe some reckless driving charges just because they can prove that she consumed quite a bit of alcohol and drove. Um, so there may be some charges that stick. I just this case seems so all over the place. And so the chain of command is so messy, I just find it hard to believe that it's going to be convicted beyond like, I anyone that kind of looks at the evidence, I would assume is looking at it like there's too much here to say. Absolutely. If she does get off from this or did or didn't do it, and she and she's she's out like she better never see. That's all I'm saying. Right, right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I, I mean, I'm sure she's probably an interesting character herself, but, um, she's never been on the stand, so I, I don't know, but she's done a couple of interviews and, um, but at the same, so I, I have no idea what her actual character is. Um, but none of that really matters. It's just really from an evidence perspective, there's so many holes that it's really hard to say without with a without a reasonable. With a reasonable rate. What is it? Without reasonable doubt, without whatever. Um. That she. She did it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Ah. So I find it fascinating. I'm all into all of the legal. Yeah, I'm just trying to think of any. If there's any documentaries that I've seen recently that were really interesting. I mean, I've seen plenty lately, but did you, did you see the whole seasons of making a murderer? Did you see all those? What's your thought on that? Did he do it? Did he not do it? Oh, no. Um, it's it's hard for me. I do find myself being, like, the least biased I can be. Yeah, and it kind of. It kind of screws me for. You know, coming up with a decision in the end, but I don't know. What do you think? I don't know. So. Okay, I don't think, I think. Was it his? His nephew? I don't think he had anything to do with anything. And I feel like I feel like he was taken advantage of and his, you know, some of the developmental issues, that he has played a big part on the direction that he went in answering some of the questions. And I think you can tell because his story has changed so much, and it's not even consistent with the actual evidence that it. I don't think he had anything to do with it. So if he didn't have anything to do with it, I question. I question what, I question what, because I think that was a big part of the case, right? That got him convicted was the fact that there was a witness. Right. So if that witness isn't valid, I don't I don't know, I think some of but at the same time, there's also a lot of unexplainable stuff from like you did it. But then I keep flipping back and forth because then I like when I heard him on the recording talking to his girlfriend who was in jail at the time, I'm like, that is one that is one calm, relaxed dude. If he's in the middle of a murder murdering scene at that point in time, I, I see all these things of like, you know, definitely how a murderer would do it. And then I but I've also seen tons of stuff that's like, I could totally see how you could get put in this situation where it's un you can't get out of it by any explanation without love. You know what I mean? So, like it's hard. It's hard. Yeah. And I'm sure there's really never. No. At the end of the day when there's a definitive closing. Right. Right. But. But on the flip side, I mean, he was convicted, and I have to believe there was enough evidence that. Wasn't shown in the documentary to convict him. You know what I mean? Uh. Um. I don't know, because I look back, the other documentary that I was watching more recently because they've they've done, like, a whole. I don't know if it's like a remake or just kind of revisiting because it's been so many years after, but the whole O.J. Simpson case and and yeah, they do have a new one on that, don't they? I've been wanting to see that. I watched it, but then again, I mean, then when look what came to follow years later. So he wasn't a good person anyways. Well, but there is no way in hell like looking back. Like the evidence. I think it was just shitty police work that. Sorry, but it was shitty police work. Um, because looking back now, like a lot of what they're saying is the evidence. And again, maybe it's just the way the documentary is, is it's for me because I like to think that if he was acquitted, there was a reason he was acquitted by the jury. There had to be enough information to, to to sway it that way. But. But but looking at it now, I'm like, um, he ot is blood was there on in the murder scene and the victim's blood was in his vehicle. Like, how do you explain that? Like, I don't know how you explain that other than guilty. Yeah, yeah. I mean, again, now, there could be that, you know, unknown to us situation that I don't know, I don't know, it's, ah, I think this is why I like documentary so much because I like puzzles and I like trying like. Well, but you're no help. You haven't solved any of these puzzles. You keep saying you don't know. I don't always enjoy just to figure out, okay, guilty or not, I like to, like, hear the whole story and then, like, try to, like, come up with a closing defense for both sides. Both examples like that's how that's how my brain works with them. Mhm. So I don't know it's just on the entertainment I know we did just watch the uh. The Gabby Petito Netflix thing, which really didn't add anything. It added absolutely nothing, but it made me really upset. Yeah, it reminded me of why I was so invested in it when it happened. That being and we live very close to it, but, um, it was uh, yeah, it was kind of like a, I still, I like the, the, that whole thing that that whole case bothers me so much. And the reason it bothers me so much is because I feel like I don't have enough information, and there's no way to get the information that I'm seeking. I can say. And one thing I know for sure is like, shame on the Laundrie family through all of it. Yeah, whether they assisted or not in any form, like shame on them, right? Yeah. There was no sympathy. There was no nothing from them. It was just I mean, they had a lawyer before the first cop ever came to their door. I know, Yeah. I mean, there's no question he did it. It's. Yeah. But I guess I it's for me, I feel like it's just not enough. And even if he were still alive and it's not like he would come out and tell the truth anyway, it, you know, at trial, it's like the other case. The guy who killed his two kids and his pregnant wife. Oh, that one did that one. That one hit me hard. Yeah. Was that the guy that the the oil. The oil? Yeah. To or tunnels or whatever they're called. Yeah. Disgusting. Disgusting human being. Right I yeah, because I watched that one and like, you hear him explain it like step by step and I'm like but he never like and but even today his story keeps changing on who did or why. And and that bothers me because I that's what bothers me the most is when you don't, when you feel like you don't have definitive answers. And I don't like at this point. It's like, dude, you already said you did it. Can you just be truthful about what you actually did and why you did it right? It just bothers me so much. And it's it's so the whole that whole key, all of these cases are so sad and disgusting. And when we're talking about children or, you know, and the Gabby Petito, she was she was a young girl. She had her whole life ahead of her. I just think it's, it's I really I think that was shot police work to not that I don't think they could have done anything about the outcome, but like, they definitely could have got him before he committed suicide. I mean, yeah, I don't know, you had enough to at least hold them for 48 hours in the beginning. Yeah. I, I don't understand how that police station. I don't know how that happened. And like that was the one thing I remember the Netflix documentary did add is you actually got to hear the beginning conversation with, um, Northfield PD talking to New York PD. And just his whole attitude from the in the beginning was like, well, what do you want us to do about it? Yeah, well, my daughter's missing in her car. Is there like, something? Right? Yeah, I don't know. You know what else I, I sometimes watch, okay. Just to kind of lighten the mood a little bit. If you ever seen the dumb 911 calls. Yeah. I was watching this one the other day, and this woman calls 911 to report a drunk driver. And so then dispatchers trying to get information, come to find out, she was calling about herself, and she was like, yeah, I really shouldn't be driving. It's really about me. Should I pull over quickly? The dispatchers like, yeah, why don't you pull over? Why don't you keep your, you know, flashers on so we can find you. And and she's like, she's like, I bet you don't get people like me calling on themselves often, huh? And dispatchers, like, not usually like those like. Stupid. She's gonna be, like, kicking herself the next morning, like, oh, you dumbass. You weren't. The funniest part is that I imagined that she was, like, two feet away from her house or her driveway. Like, in my head, I feel like that was really what was going on. That's. Oh, that's freaking awesome. Yeah, those are fun. I like, also like ones. Um, do you ever watch the, like, documentaries on, like, uh, where, like, the community solves the case instead of the cops? Yeah. Isn't that what they did with the cat that don't fuck with cats? Yeah. Documentary. Yeah. And it was exactly what I'm talking about. And I couldn't watch some parts of that documentary, though, because they showed. No, because they he showed the parts where he was being mean to cats and I couldn't I literally I've never done this because I have a pretty tough stomach, but I'm like, go ahead, kill people, but don't hurt animals. Like, it was like like I had to like I had to like fast forward through it. I was like, I can't watch. I like, turned my head the other way and fast forward I can watch the torture of animals. But but if if it had anything to do with people, I probably would have watched, been able to watch it. It's hard, but that was an amazing documentary. No, it was so good. It was so, so good. And I do, I like I do too, I like those. Um, I like those stories where it's like, okay, we're going to do this on our own. We're going to figure this shit out. This is this is a problem. Um, I feel like there's not enough of those those ones, though. You know what I mean? I would think more. I wonder if I'd be any good at that. They have. They. I mean, they have cold cases that you can kind of look. And I'm sure there's communities out there that does that. I wonder if I'd be any good at it. It was Colonel Mustard in the library with the candlestick. Oh, I know I'd be good at it. I mean, I remember Emma and I with the Gabby Petito case. We were like. We were calling it out before it even hit the news. Just by, like, digging and digging and digging and going through the videos, like, you know, that that they saw in the ATM screenshots and. Yeah. Do you think that Dog the Bounty Hunter feels like a real ass publicity stunt? Or is he like, I know where he is and he was completely in the wrong place. Like, I was like. He was like he was. He was like, I'm gonna sniff him out. Like he was good. He doesn't. I'm not saying he doesn't have talent, but, like, look, look, he built his career like his business was stationed, like in the middle of, like, you know, Hawaii's version of Compton. You know, like, it was just drug addicts on every corner. He knew where to get everybody because it was a small little area. I just thought it was funny. And then when they actually played him on the documentary, Gabby Petito just reminded me of how much I'm like, ooh, you must feel really like a dumbass right now is cause he's like, he was like doubling down. He was like. He was like, and I know I'm right because I've been doing this for years. Like, he was like, he was He was a fun and cam daughter was tweeting like the updates and it was great. We saw him, we saw him. Guys found some things. It looks like a Red bull kid. Yes, yes. This is like I found a toothpick, a Red bull can and a match. We know this is his. We know the Red bull can in her purse. Yes they are. And it was probably just one of, like, the film crew. Like dropping their shit on the side, like. Just keeping the carrot at the end of the thing, like, you know, the camera. Dude's like. Like watch dog react to this. You know? You know, they were fucking with them. Like, you can't tell me that didn't happen, but I just that that that killed me. But when I saw him, I was that part of the that part of the thing. And there are so many people convinced he was like. In Australia and like like like like. Like he was in this house and then he was. It was exactly where his car was in the, in the reserve are like. And then and then conveniently, his dad finds him. Out of all those people I know, I know, he I mean, they I feel like they almost kind of did a beeline to exactly where his location was. You know, they gave it like a few hours and they're like, you know, it's too fucking hot. It's Florida. Like, I got a Coors Light waiting for me. I'll make him. And we just get this, we get this going, and they, like, blind it to him though. But, you know, like, I don't know. And then what was the conversation like? Because I don't know. You can't tell me. They didn't know he was going there to do what he did. I don't know why I think that. I just am convinced the parents know. And then part of me is like, did they say, dude, you you're done for. Like, just just go handle it like. Because I can tell you, I mean, they left the car, they're saying, oh, it was normal for him to be heights for, for days on. Yeah. Like bullshit. Okay, maybe maybe, maybe. But but is it normal in the midst of a murder trial, like. Yeah, or. Excuse me, not a trial investigation. Like. No, none of that was normal. His parents got no charges for for anything is sickening. Well, even the text messages they showed on the or the I don't know where they text messages are transcripts that the mom wrote only there was a couple different things. There was a couple of different exhibits. A body I will. You know, but you can't fault a mom. You can't fault a mom on that one. We all, we all get one body. We all get one body. Just kidding. Um, well, who does she think she was from? Michigan? She was part. She was part of the acceptance message. Part of the Philly mob is like. She was like, oh, you know, we got you. You don't worry. I bring my shovel. No, no, no. That was a really bad mob impression. If you're part of the mob, please don't come get me. I'm sorry. I didn't represent well, thank you. Wrote her back and just handed her the letter saying, like to later on. Yeah. You know. I staged it, I staged it good. I think I don't know, they're afraid that they're afraid to talk because their house can be bugged. So they're just handing letters back. You know, I didn't even think of that. That's actually a really good question. Why fucking letter? Why? Why a letter? It's so old school. Do you think? Do you think they actually mailed it? Was there postage involved? Is this a federal? Is this a federal? My favorite part. My favorite part is when they're interviewing. What was it? The sister and her husband. Yeah. I'm like, oh, like you could tell, like, within the first two minutes of talking, because they kept saying, we don't know anything. We don't know anything. Well, probably because they know you're going to run it because the next thing she says was, will they cut us completely out? So I couldn't tell you if they were involved or not. That's why they didn't tell you. I remember seeing her on the news. She was mad. She came out. I felt like she came out like she really didn't. But the memory in my head was like, she came out with a frying pan in a oven mitt, and she's like, I got baby sleeping. Like, I just feel like shit. It was like, very like, I don't know, I picture with hair curlers and and like a cigarette coming out of her mouth. That's my memory. That is not what really happened. But in my head, that's what I like. If I were to capture visually her annoyance in that, and when she walked out of the house, like, that's how I would visually capture that. Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate, I think. I think she didn't have to say much to speak for the whole family. We'll just put it that way. She's like. She's like. And I don't know what they know because they don't talk to me. Because they don't think I'll run my mouth like it's like. Okay. So by cutting you out intentionally because they know something and then you running your mouth that you're cut out because you talk too much just proves the case that they're guilty and, you know, shit. Thank you very much. Case solved. See, I did that in five minutes. I had no community needed here. I'm trying to trying to make it look like he's got nothing to worry about. His out mowing the lawn with, like, 150 people. It's not only that. I didn't get any of that. It was such a bizarre. It was so bizarre. And then there's this one lady that I still remember because she was the noisiest. And I'm not talking from the documentary. I'm talking from because I followed the case. Like when, when she first went missing, like I was, they had drones flying, watching them. Right. But do you remember the blonde girl? Do you remember the blonde girl that was always on every single news? And she's like. She was like the like with the foghorn. Like. Like we know you're guilty. You think you better get out here now? Like. Like, you know what I mean? She remember her? Yeah, she was always there, like, representing, which I appreciated. But at the same time I was like, man, that is commitment. And what do you do? 9 to 5? Because I work like I was like, even if I were really upset, people even brought their kids like, well, that's the only thing like, here you go, honey. Have a juice box and some orange slices in the corner. I got some fog Corning to do. Like, what do you like? What is that? Watch, watch. Mommy be a boss, bitch. I don't get it. Hey, thank you for joining us for part three of Siblings Unleashed. 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